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		<title>By: <img class="identicon" src="http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=98ff8dd8c4b162222c4568c4d86e54ce&#38;size=35&#38;default=http://theflowfieldunity.com/wp-content/plugins/identicon/227e7941512983b.png" alt="Adam_Y Identicon Icon" height="35" width="35" /> Adam_Y</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 10:38:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*checks*, yes it is... we have a record... even when I remove all of my comments (surely they don&#039;t count).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*checks*, yes it is&#8230; we have a record&#8230; even when I remove all of my comments (surely they don&#8217;t count).</p>
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		<title>By: <img class="identicon" src="http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=c67d6d4444d4352ca29a87176b887027&#38;size=35&#38;default=http://theflowfieldunity.com/wp-content/plugins/identicon/6fb723e5678f8b4.png" alt="justine Identicon Icon" height="35" width="35" /> justine</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 07:57:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i was wondering the same thing only yesterday. adam?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i was wondering the same thing only yesterday. adam?</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 21:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My bad. We&#039;ll make that an &quot;And&quot;, and save disagreements, shall we?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My bad. We&#8217;ll make that an &#8220;And&#8221;, and save disagreements, shall we?</p>
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		<title>By: <img class="identicon" src="http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=a00bde553daff1ba2a3137da5407115b&#38;size=35&#38;default=http://theflowfieldunity.com/wp-content/plugins/identicon/0c4ee010dda8bcd.png" alt="Roo Identicon Icon" height="35" width="35" /> Roo</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 14:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Incidentally, I this is probably a record for number of comments on a particular post?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Incidentally, I this is probably a record for number of comments on a particular post?</p>
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		<title>By: <img class="identicon" src="http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=a00bde553daff1ba2a3137da5407115b&#38;size=35&#38;default=http://theflowfieldunity.com/wp-content/plugins/identicon/0c4ee010dda8bcd.png" alt="Roo Identicon Icon" height="35" width="35" /> Roo</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 14:04:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The most scientific of all faiths indeed. I like this idea of self-correction, even in social aspects, in particular that the premise rests on scientific education for a majority of people. If you think about it, this points out why science &lt;I&gt;can&lt;/i&gt; seem to be a religion to some: because science education is so many places is so bad, and it goes back down to the argument from authority. Ergo: better education equals better science!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The most scientific of all faiths indeed. I like this idea of self-correction, even in social aspects, in particular that the premise rests on scientific education for a majority of people. If you think about it, this points out why science <i>can</i> seem to be a religion to some: because science education is so many places is so bad, and it goes back down to the argument from authority. Ergo: better education equals better science!</p>
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		<title>By: <img class="identicon" src="http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=98ff8dd8c4b162222c4568c4d86e54ce&#38;size=35&#38;default=http://theflowfieldunity.com/wp-content/plugins/identicon/227e7941512983b.png" alt="Adam_Y Identicon Icon" height="35" width="35" /> Adam_Y</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 10:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, we&#039;ve done brilliantly folks.

I think I have enough to make a start now. I must first say thank you for this.

The last line of the manifesto will be:

&quot;This manifesto is drawn on paper, not set in stone&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, we&#8217;ve done brilliantly folks.</p>
<p>I think I have enough to make a start now. I must first say thank you for this.</p>
<p>The last line of the manifesto will be:</p>
<p>&#8220;This manifesto is drawn on paper, not set in stone&#8221;</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 03:09:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh, it was just the &#039;but&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh, it was just the &#8216;but&#8217;</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 02:36:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;We serve... the same mystery.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We serve&#8230; the same mystery.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: <img class="identicon" src="http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=93809719a9c11e89fe8b9acb720b9ca5&#38;size=35&#38;default=http://theflowfieldunity.com/wp-content/plugins/identicon/d428fdef8306ba7.png" alt="osbola Identicon Icon" height="35" width="35" /> osbola</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 00:05:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As you say, assertion does not usually equal causation.  Feyerabend does not appear to really believe that science is religion, but rather is working from the sentiment expressed by John Stuart Mill that a truth going unchallenged is true mostly by coincidence: &quot;if it is not fully, frequently, and fearlessly discussed, it will be held as a dead dogma, not a living truth.&quot;

Anyway, I just stumbled on something that struck me as counter to the science-as-oppressive-ideology argument; on p. 31 of Bertrand Russell&#039;s &#039;Power&#039;, of all places.  It&#039;s this: &quot;Science, in giving some real acquaintance with natural processes, has destroyed the belief in magic, and therefore the respect for the intellectual.&quot;  (That is, scientists do not usually command the sort of respect bestowed on medicine-men and fakirs.)  So you&#039;d expect science to be self-correcting even in its social aspects, almost to the point of subverting itself — provided that people have opportunity and interest for education, natch.  (Which in turn recalls the description of discordianism as &quot;self-subverting dada-Zen&quot;.  Could it be that it&#039;s the most scientific of faiths?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As you say, assertion does not usually equal causation.  Feyerabend does not appear to really believe that science is religion, but rather is working from the sentiment expressed by John Stuart Mill that a truth going unchallenged is true mostly by coincidence: &#8220;if it is not fully, frequently, and fearlessly discussed, it will be held as a dead dogma, not a living truth.&#8221;</p>
<p>Anyway, I just stumbled on something that struck me as counter to the science-as-oppressive-ideology argument; on p. 31 of Bertrand Russell&#8217;s &#8216;Power&#8217;, of all places.  It&#8217;s this: &#8220;Science, in giving some real acquaintance with natural processes, has destroyed the belief in magic, and therefore the respect for the intellectual.&#8221;  (That is, scientists do not usually command the sort of respect bestowed on medicine-men and fakirs.)  So you&#8217;d expect science to be self-correcting even in its social aspects, almost to the point of subverting itself — provided that people have opportunity and interest for education, natch.  (Which in turn recalls the description of discordianism as &#8220;self-subverting dada-Zen&#8221;.  Could it be that it&#8217;s the most scientific of faiths?)</p>
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		<title>By: <img class="identicon" src="http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=88c281e9acfabf5e91884995214726ee&#38;size=35&#38;default=http://theflowfieldunity.com/wp-content/plugins/identicon/1eaf7978ff0f7f5.png" alt="Maddie Identicon Icon" height="35" width="35" /> Maddie</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 22:20:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No one said I was contradicting anything. It just seemed like a good reply.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one said I was contradicting anything. It just seemed like a good reply.</p>
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		<title>By: <img class="identicon" src="http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=3f2bcf5a695c6d957cb176f1d6d7cfd8&#38;size=35&#38;default=http://theflowfieldunity.com/wp-content/plugins/identicon/aa68cf0fe4f33ff.png" alt="Joseph Hewitt Identicon Icon" height="35" width="35" /> Joseph Hewitt</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 14:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Imagine how scary it would be to live in a world ruled by Ayn Rand&#039;s prose. That&#039;s the thought that chills me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Imagine how scary it would be to live in a world ruled by Ayn Rand&#8217;s prose. That&#8217;s the thought that chills me.</p>
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		<title>By: <img class="identicon" src="http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=8b802077cbc59db97fd4f6223fba6d4b&#38;size=35&#38;default=http://theflowfieldunity.com/wp-content/plugins/identicon/da711d2e69fed12.png" alt="DmL Identicon Icon" height="35" width="35" /> DmL</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 06:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a pope of the discordian church, I must concur.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a pope of the discordian church, I must concur.</p>
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		<title>By: <img class="identicon" src="http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=1c1c99c7cc862acc895ea4117dc8336e&#38;size=35&#38;default=http://theflowfieldunity.com/wp-content/plugins/identicon/c3b41f4776347a4.png" alt="easca Identicon Icon" height="35" width="35" /> easca</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 02:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Probably true.

And I like it. I think that really says something about us, that we can come together and have intelligent conversations and discussions, even though we don&#039;t always agree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Probably true.</p>
<p>And I like it. I think that really says something about us, that we can come together and have intelligent conversations and discussions, even though we don&#8217;t always agree.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 02:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed.</p>
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		<title>By: <img class="identicon" src="http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=1c1c99c7cc862acc895ea4117dc8336e&#38;size=35&#38;default=http://theflowfieldunity.com/wp-content/plugins/identicon/c3b41f4776347a4.png" alt="easca Identicon Icon" height="35" width="35" /> easca</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 02:01:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True. The key is balance. Although I must admit, there are times when I wish I were as sure of myself as Howard Roark. Self-doubt can be quite tiresome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True. The key is balance. Although I must admit, there are times when I wish I were as sure of myself as Howard Roark. Self-doubt can be quite tiresome.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 01:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like this one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like this one.</p>
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		<title>By: <img class="identicon" src="http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=a00bde553daff1ba2a3137da5407115b&#38;size=35&#38;default=http://theflowfieldunity.com/wp-content/plugins/identicon/0c4ee010dda8bcd.png" alt="Roo Identicon Icon" height="35" width="35" /> Roo</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 21:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just because people say it doesn&#039;t make it true. 

That&#039;s the same argument that Creationists use to push evolution out of the minds of people. Feyerabend may have a good point about certain sociological aspects of science, but there are many respected philosophers of science that disagree with him. What about Popper, what about Khun, or Lakatos, or Ruse? Ruse in particular is relevant, as a philosopher of Christianity as well as science. 

The difference between scientists and followers of a religion is this: even if the scientist is, in some ways, dogmatic and locked into a potentially incorrect paradigm, he consciously believes that facts and theory, reason and logic, are what underpin his beliefs. He believes because he thinks he has been convinced by evidence (the dogma-thing notwithstanding: even in that case, he still &lt;I&gt;thinks&lt;/I&gt; it&#039;s logical). In the case of religion, the belief is from the argument of authority. We believe it because god says so, written in this book, here. Dogma, and they don&#039;t &lt;I&gt;care.&lt;/I&gt; Fundamentalist religion is a willful rejection of logic and reason, in favour of the argument form authority. 

So yeah: Feyerabend is neat, interesting, good to read. But Science is not Religion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just because people say it doesn&#8217;t make it true. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s the same argument that Creationists use to push evolution out of the minds of people. Feyerabend may have a good point about certain sociological aspects of science, but there are many respected philosophers of science that disagree with him. What about Popper, what about Khun, or Lakatos, or Ruse? Ruse in particular is relevant, as a philosopher of Christianity as well as science. </p>
<p>The difference between scientists and followers of a religion is this: even if the scientist is, in some ways, dogmatic and locked into a potentially incorrect paradigm, he consciously believes that facts and theory, reason and logic, are what underpin his beliefs. He believes because he thinks he has been convinced by evidence (the dogma-thing notwithstanding: even in that case, he still <i>thinks</i> it&#8217;s logical). In the case of religion, the belief is from the argument of authority. We believe it because god says so, written in this book, here. Dogma, and they don&#8217;t <i>care.</i> Fundamentalist religion is a willful rejection of logic and reason, in favour of the argument form authority. </p>
<p>So yeah: Feyerabend is neat, interesting, good to read. But Science is not Religion.</p>
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		<title>By: <img class="identicon" src="http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=93809719a9c11e89fe8b9acb720b9ca5&#38;size=35&#38;default=http://theflowfieldunity.com/wp-content/plugins/identicon/d428fdef8306ba7.png" alt="osbola Identicon Icon" height="35" width="35" /> osbola</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 21:17:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A modern form of mythology?  People have employed stronger wordings than that.  Try &quot;science is a religion&quot;, in _How to Defend Society Against Science_: http://pagespro-orange.fr/tansen/bioethics/science/feyerabend.htm

Feyerabend, people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A modern form of mythology?  People have employed stronger wordings than that.  Try &#8220;science is a religion&#8221;, in _How to Defend Society Against Science_: <a href="http://pagespro-orange.fr/tansen/bioethics/science/feyerabend.htm">http://pagespro-orange.fr/tansen/bioethics/science/feyerabend.htm</a></p>
<p>Feyerabend, people.</p>
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		<title>By: <img class="identicon" src="http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=38245a3a4945fcc6ed9c68686ce57a4f&#38;size=35&#38;default=http://theflowfieldunity.com/wp-content/plugins/identicon/4f52bd4c24d3d2e.png" alt="LarrSimp2 Identicon Icon" height="35" width="35" /> LarrSimp2</title>
		<link>http://theflowfieldunity.com/2008/11/02/manifest/comment-page-1/#comment-20518</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 21:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Art we express. Science we learn. Humanity we fake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Art we express. Science we learn. Humanity we fake.</p>
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		<title>By: <img class="identicon" src="http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=a00bde553daff1ba2a3137da5407115b&#38;size=35&#38;default=http://theflowfieldunity.com/wp-content/plugins/identicon/0c4ee010dda8bcd.png" alt="Roo Identicon Icon" height="35" width="35" /> Roo</title>
		<link>http://theflowfieldunity.com/2008/11/02/manifest/comment-page-1/#comment-20517</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 20:55:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, now we&#039;re starting to sound a bit discordian. Although, come to think of it, that&#039;s okay with me. Hail Eris! Fnord!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, now we&#8217;re starting to sound a bit discordian. Although, come to think of it, that&#8217;s okay with me. Hail Eris! Fnord!</p>
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		<title>By: <img class="identicon" src="http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=a00bde553daff1ba2a3137da5407115b&#38;size=35&#38;default=http://theflowfieldunity.com/wp-content/plugins/identicon/0c4ee010dda8bcd.png" alt="Roo Identicon Icon" height="35" width="35" /> Roo</title>
		<link>http://theflowfieldunity.com/2008/11/02/manifest/comment-page-1/#comment-20516</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 20:52:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, think how scary it would be to live in a world that actually worked by Ayn Rand&#039;s rules... pure ego-ism as heroic? No thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, think how scary it would be to live in a world that actually worked by Ayn Rand&#8217;s rules&#8230; pure ego-ism as heroic? No thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: <img class="identicon" src="http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=8b802077cbc59db97fd4f6223fba6d4b&#38;size=35&#38;default=http://theflowfieldunity.com/wp-content/plugins/identicon/da711d2e69fed12.png" alt="DmL Identicon Icon" height="35" width="35" /> DmL</title>
		<link>http://theflowfieldunity.com/2008/11/02/manifest/comment-page-1/#comment-20515</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 20:33:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There were alot of people who didn&#039;t know the risks, anyway, I&#039;m not saying science is bad or even that sacrifice is even bad, I&#039;m not even saying the word believe can&#039;t be in the manifesto.  Hmm..

Maybe:

We are a consensus of non-consenters, united only by or disunity.

: )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There were alot of people who didn&#8217;t know the risks, anyway, I&#8217;m not saying science is bad or even that sacrifice is even bad, I&#8217;m not even saying the word believe can&#8217;t be in the manifesto.  Hmm..</p>
<p>Maybe:</p>
<p>We are a consensus of non-consenters, united only by or disunity.</p>
<p>: )</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 20:12:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For some reason this made me think of The Fountainhead, which made me think of how truly scary it would be to live in a world that actually worshiped mediocrity.

Also, potentiality is a very fun word.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For some reason this made me think of The Fountainhead, which made me think of how truly scary it would be to live in a world that actually worshiped mediocrity.</p>
<p>Also, potentiality is a very fun word.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 20:07:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess that&#039;s kind of the key, though, isn&#039;t it? How you consider sacrifice? Sacrificing *yourself* for science, dedicating yourself to a cause that you KNOW might be dangerous (I assume she knew the risks, and that those scientists knew that people might not like them very much for their scientific-ness although I could obviously be wrong) is a far cry from having someone throw you into a volcano.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess that&#8217;s kind of the key, though, isn&#8217;t it? How you consider sacrifice? Sacrificing *yourself* for science, dedicating yourself to a cause that you KNOW might be dangerous (I assume she knew the risks, and that those scientists knew that people might not like them very much for their scientific-ness although I could obviously be wrong) is a far cry from having someone throw you into a volcano.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 08:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Madame Curie isn&#039;t a terrible example, that sort of thing has happened alot historically, and all over the world.  The second sense I mean positively though, and you could think of Mme. Curie as a positive example, I guess it depends on how *she* felt about it.  Which I don&#039;t know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Madame Curie isn&#8217;t a terrible example, that sort of thing has happened alot historically, and all over the world.  The second sense I mean positively though, and you could think of Mme. Curie as a positive example, I guess it depends on how *she* felt about it.  Which I don&#8217;t know.</p>
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